(00:31) Khasanti: Hello and welcome back to the Dark Moon Cafe. We are your hosts. My name is Khasanti.

(00:38) Randee: And I’m Randee.

(00:40) Khasanti: And each dark moon we will be inviting you in for a monthly conversation about astrology and other adjacent topics. Each episode we’ll compare notes on how the monthly transits have been showing up for us, followed by a deeper dive into a specific topic, which for tonight’s episode is the Sun. We hope this podcast offers a cozy space to settle in and explore with us how we live our lives through the lens of astrology. So hey, Randee.

(01:13) Randee: Hey Khasanti.

(01:14) Khasanti: Hi, how are you doing? And more importantly, what are you drinking tonight?

(01:20) Randee: Ah, yes. It’s so good to be back at the cafe with you. Um, tonight, in honor of our honorary guest, the sun, I am drinking a spiced golden apple cider with edible gold flakes in it.

(01:39) Khasanti: What?!

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(01:40) Randee: We’re talking cider, cinnamon, star anise, allspice, and artificial gold flakes because the sun just wants regality, regalia, royalty. And the drink just had to include gold, in my opinion.

(02:03) Khasanti: Yeah, I get that. But why artificial gold flakes?

(02:06) Randee: Touche. Touche.

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(02:13) Khasanti: Well, hopefully the sun will understand that we love the sun, but we also are on a budget.

(02:23) Randee: That’s right. That’s right. And what are you drinking this fine evening?

(02:30) Khasanti: Well, that’s a great question. I am drinking a pomegranate tea with a little touch of mugwort in it. I’m going to tell you why. Because we…

(02:47) Randee: I need to know.

(02:49) Khasanti: Yeah. We are heading towards a Mercury retrograde.

(02:58) Randee: Da, da, da!

(02:59) Khasanti: And I believe we’ll be right in the middle of it when this episode airs. And I was thinking about Mercury as the messenger in the underworld and how Mercury retrogrades are kind of like Mercury going on a bit of an underworld journey. And what’s more underworld than pomegranate. And then I just wanted to throw a little Mugwort in there just as a nod to kind of like the more sort of dreamy, trancy kind of like, you know, let’s tune in to some of those more magical, for want of a better word, vibes. You know, really tune in with our intuition, be like aware and awake to all of the interesting imagery and good stuff that might be happening down there in the underworld.

(04:04) Randee: I love that. It’s very moody. Very moody.

(04:07) Khasanti: Yeah, well we’re into that moody time of the year.

(04:11) Randee: Yes, we are.

(04:13) Khasanti: Yeah.

(04:14) Randee: We did just recently have Halloween.

(04:17) Khasanti: We did.

(04:18) Randee: And I will say that I have, I feel very comfortable wearing a witch costume, which is what I always am. Every year I’m a witch. And I feel like it’s like me putting on my skin. I’m like, yes, I’m going out into the windy night being the witch that I am. And yeah, that was very nice. That was nice to experience and to remember.

(04:46) Khasanti: I love that. Yeah, I always kind of feel like on Halloween, we kind of get to sort of be who we really are. But like, we can sort of hide in plain sight of like, oh no, no, it’s just a, just a silly costume. Wink.

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(05:02) Randee: Exactly. Exactly.

(05:07) Khasanti: So yeah, how’s the astrology been treating you since we last spoke, Randee?

(05:12) Randee: You know, it’s actually been treating me really well. I have been enjoying a Venus transit through my first house. Which I have been sleeping well, feeling generally uplifted and happy. And at some point in that transit, Venus got into conversation with my natal fifth house stellium. And I will just say I have been feeling just so present and in tune and grounded. And as it hit my natal mercury really dropping into just loving heartfelt communication with others. So just really kind of riding that vibe of Venus in the first house.

(06:07) Khasanti: In her domicile, right?

(06:09) Randee: Yes.

(06:11) Khasanti: Super comfy, happy Venus, Venusing away all over your sense of self.

(06:18) Randee: Loving it and I can really feel it. Really can feel it. Yeah. How about you?

(06:25) Khasanti: Yeah, so last month I talked about having Mars go through my first house and as of the time of recording this, Mars has just left Scorpio and gone into Sag and, um, things are not feeling so great. Like, um, I really, so number one, Mars is my ascendant ruler, so I’ve talked about this before. Mars is kind of inherently an important planet for me. And number two, I’m currently in a Mars year, which makes Mars transits like even more significant. And yeah, I mean, I’m just objectively heading into quite a demanding, challenging week this week. Yeah, I really just kind of have felt that drop in resourcedness of Mars. Like, suddenly it’s just feeling harder to kind of access the juice that I need to do the stuff that I need to do. Everything’s just feeling a little bit harder to come by somehow. So that’s just interesting. It’s not like Mars is in detriment or detriment or fall in Sag, but it’s still a step down from the happy place of Mars in Scorpio for it to just be in a sign where it doesn’t really have any kind of particular dignity. So, yeah, I’m just kind of, you know, slightly, sadly waving goodbye to Mars in Scorpio.

(08:10) Randee: Oh, you know…

(08:12) Khasanti: That was a good time.

(08:13) Randee: I know we were talking about, you know, the potential for burning the self out with Mars in the first, but actually looking back on it, it sounds like it was extremely energizing for you…

(08:25) Khasanti: Yeah, I’d say so…

(08:27) Randee: And it gave you a lot of sense of vitality and resource.

(08:29) Khasanti: Yeah. So maybe the burnout’s coming this month.

(08:35) Randee: The aftermath.

(08:37) Khasanti: Yeah. Oh my goodness.

(08:39) Randee: Aww. Well, so I know you’ve been feeling maybe a little less energized, but has there been anything super fizzy for you? Super like engaging something that’s just kind of lighting you up?

(08:52) Khasanti: Yeah, so, yeah, actually there has been, I mean, there is usually at least something. But this last month, one of the like really cool things that I noticed. So, you know, I’ve been taking this, I’m in the middle of taking this horary astrology class, right?

(09:11) Randee: Yes.

(09:12) Khasanti: Which for folks who don’t know what that is, that’s like the most divinatory kind of astrology. Where you basically kind of cast a chart for a question that somebody has similar to how you might do a tarot reading or any other form of divination. And then you just kind of read the symbols in the chart in an extremely even more divinatory way than usual. This is another conversation that we definitely will dedicate at least a whole episode to – the topic of astrology as divination.

(09:54) Randee: Yes.

(09:55) Khasanti: But yeah, and so I’ve been preparing for a couple of natal astrology consultations this month. And this is the first time that I just found my horary sensibilities coming to the fore in the process of looking at somebody’s natal chart. And it’s almost a little difficult to put it into words because it’s quite subtle, but, um, it was just really cool. I just kind of felt like, oh, I have, have this slightly different kind of lens on my glasses and I’m able to just really, really just kind of feel how the birth chart is like, it is like a divination that happens at the start of somebody’s life that gives you these, these symbols for like how the whole life is going to play out. And it’s not like I didn’t know that before, but I think I just knew it a little bit more theoretically or something. And part of the process of learning horary, it’s like it, it somehow all of that knowing is just kind of dropping into a more kind of bone level place in my being, so that was just really cool to notice. Like I didn’t go looking for it, but I’m like, whoa, this chart just kind of looks different.

(11:24) Randee: I love that. And it seems like a very natural progression from learning about something to really kind of dropping into the embodiment of it. And you know you’re getting more seasoned as you do more readings. And so that’s so awesome to kind of have that like leveling up in your practice.

(11:47) Khasanti: Totally. Yeah, it felt really good.

(11:51) Randee: Oh, that’s great.

(11:52) Khasanti: So about you, Randee? What’s fizzin your fizz this month?

(11:57) Randee: Well, you know, since we’re just nerding out on astrology technical approaches, um, this past month I’ve had a few readings where I have really been challenging myself to integrate solar returns with annual profections and just really kind of dedicating some prep time and analysis to the integration of those two timing techniques and just seeing some awesome resonance with clients. And that’s just always so gratifying when something really resonates and lands and you feel like you’re offering someone guidance in seeing their lives maybe more clearly or more deeply or just having a more intimate relationship with the patterns that are going on or the season of life that they’re in. So that’s been very cool.

(13:03) Khasanti: That’s super cool. Can we just do like a super super quick explanation of what an annual profection is and what a solar return is for our folks who might not know?

(13:18) Randee: Yes. So a solar return is where you, you know, using whatever astrology program you prefer, you set the sun to where the degree of the sun was at the time of the person’s birth. So great for like a birthday reading because usually the solar return occurs either on the day of your birthday or maybe a day before or a day after. So you’re kind of forecasting the year ahead based on the chart that’s generated when the sun reaches the degree that it was at when you were born for that year.

(14:02) Khasanti: Awesome.

(14:04) Randee: So yeah, and then you’re combining that with something like an annual profection, which I don’t know all the historical roots of that system, but basically you go around the wheel starting with the first house all the way to the 12th, you start at zero. And so for each year of life, you progress one house. And you work your way around until the age that you are at currently and whatever house that falls within, that is the house that is profected that year. And whatever the ruler of that house is, is considered the time Lord of the year or the Lord of the year for you. So it kind of gives you some focus when I’m doing a reading. And I like to employ a few different timing techniques and then see if anything repetitive emerges. And that sort of gives me some evidence that, this we’re onto something here.

(15:07) Khasanti: Yeah. Totally.

(15:09) Randee: Yeah.

(15:10) Khasanti: Awesome.

(15:12) Randee: Yeah.

(15:13) Khasanti: Very cool. So let’s, let’s get into the sun.

(15:17) Randee: Oh, let’s do it.

(15:18) Khasanti: I mean, maybe not literally, but um…

(15:22) Randee: Right, that would hurt.

(15:24) Khasanti: Yeah, yeah. I think that probably wouldn’t be advisable. So, this is exciting, getting to talk about the sun. I know we were very excited to talk about the moon last week.

(15:41) Randee: We certainly were.

(15:43) Khasanti: You might assume, like, oh well, if these guys love the moon so much, maybe they don’t care that much about the sun.

(15:50) Randee: Mmm, au contraire.

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(15:58) Khasanti: Yeah. So talk to me, talk to me of solar things, Randee. I want to hear what you’re thinking.

(16:06) Randee: I, you know, I have to just sort of acknowledge the elephant in the room that the sun is where most of us start our astrological journey.

(16:17) Khasanti: Yeah.

(16:18) Randee: You know, even the person who doesn’t take their studies to another level or study professionally in any degree, knowing your sun sign is such a beautiful entry point into the language of astrology and so I just kind of wanted to name that. But boy, wow, where to start with the sun. I do start with where the sun rejoices and that brings us right to the ninth house. And I feel like that’s the home that we are going to be in for tonight. You know, we’re talking about a Dharma house. We’re talking about a house that was called the house of the God. So the sun has a lot to say about the search for meaning and purpose – the deeper spiritual truths that we seek in our life. And the themes of the hero’s journey is that quest. I know when we talked about the moon, we talked about the sort of circumstances in which the hero embarks on that journey. But with the sun, we are talking about the journey. You know, the internal quest for meaning, for a higher purpose, the spiritual quest. And when we think of the hero and we sort of map that onto the sun a little bit, we do get elements of an individual journey. Not that the sun has to be individual, but there is something individual about it. There’s something singular about it. And I do think of the opposition to the third house when we are considering the sort of planetary joys, we are talking about something that is far less tangible than the materialness of the third house. So there is something about the sun that, you know, similar to our joke about we don’t want to get too close to the sun, there is something about the sun that is hard to put our finger on. It is hard to look at directly. It is a journey that we go on and, and a deep, a deep journey, a deep quest. That’s, that’s sort of where, where I wanted to start our conversation tonight. Yeah.

(19:00) Khasanti: Yeah. I love that. I, and I feel like it’s so important in, in the same way that the moon is so important for different reasons. I feel like having, having some sense of that journey is at least for me, it’s kind of what gets me out of bed in the mornings. It’s like, why, why am I here? Why am I me? What do I have to offer the world? What is, what is special about me? Like without being egotistical about it, like, I feel like we all, we all have some stuff that we’re good at and that we’re naturally good at or that, that maybe we’re our kind of hero’s journey is to gain mastery of, but in a way that kind of feels satisfying like there’s something there, there’s some, it’s kind of like James Hillman’s acorn theory.

(20:12) Randee: Yes.

(20:13) Khasanti: Which for folks who don’t know about that, James Hillman is a, what is he like a psychologist or something?

(20:25) Randee: I think so?

(20:26) Khasanti: A sort of general mythic person.

(20:29) Randee: Yes, that’s a great way to describe it.

(20:32) Khasanti: I would quite like to be described that way.

(20:35) Randee: Yes, me too.

(20:36) Khasanti: A general mythic person. And so yeah, he has this theory that we’re all born with this kind of little acorn in us that has the potential to grow into an oak tree and that really our purpose in life is to figure out what that acorn is and to the best of our ability kind of work on growing ourselves into the tree that we’re supposed to be and I just love that. Love it because it just feels very meaningful and I feel like meaning is kind of another solar word. Like I, I’m sorry but I can’t, if there’s really no meaning to life then I I don’t know how to be in it you know. I, yeah, I can’t, it’s too depressing to feel like maybe, maybe this is all just meaningless and we’re just here and there’s no real reason for it. And it’s random and we just kind of get born and we live and then we die and you know, no big deal. It’s like, I, yeah, I can’t, I can’t live like that. I need to feel like there is some purpose for me being here. And I say this as a Buddhist who is also kind of exploring the living of that truth against a backdrop of maybe our sense of self is not really as solid as we think it is. But, um, so that’s like another whole, whole tangent one could go on. But um, but yeah, I feel like, having a personal myth, which is probably a kind of another way of saying having one’s acorn, is just really important. And I think it’s something that can make life feel very juicy and make a person feel like waking up and living their life and moving themselves along that path.

(22:57) Randee: Mmm hmm. Yeah, yeah, really kind of illustrating the essence of the word meaning and how the sun can embody that symbolically. You know, how many times do we get a client coming to an astrology reading that has the question in some way, shape or form: What is my purpose?

(23:25) Khasanti: Yeah.

(23:26) Randee: What is the meaning of my life?

(23:28) Khasanti: Yeah.

(23:29) Randee: And I just have to share a quote from Liz Green, The Luminaries book, the section on the sun. The quote is “The sun says, but I am not just any old mouse or rabbit or cabbage. My life means something. I have potentials that I have not yet fulfilled. You can see why we ignore this solar drive at our peril. For if we do not take the heroic leap and make a unique creative contribution in some way, however small, we are doomed to the nagging torment of an unlived self. Then we have every reason to fear death for we have not truly lived.”

(24:20) Khasanti: Whoa. Tell us, Liz. Tell us how it is.

(24:26) Randee: Liz, just dropping the mic.

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(24:30) Randee: So there is a gravitas to the sun and the depth of it, the importance of it, giving our life meaning, right? And I think that there are many ways we can use the sun in an astrology reading, but one of the ways that perhaps we could consider using it is looking at the placement of the sun in someone’s chart and that maybe the sign that it’s in, the house it’s in, any important aspects that it’s making as giving us some clues into that very deep eternal question of what is the meaning for this person? What is the nature of their path? You know, it may not shed all the clarity that one would want, but it might point us in a direction to help someone open to that deeper truth that oftentimes is so hard to access.

(25:42) Khasanti: Yeah, definitely. And what an amazing privilege to get to be the person or one of the people that has that conversation with people. I feel like that’s one of the just amazing things about being an astrologer, because honestly, that’s the kind of conversation I want to be having with everybody, but it’s less socially acceptable to justgo up to people at a party and say, you know, let’s talk about your destiny. So, you know, I had to become an astrologer so I could talk to people about that.

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(26:23) Randee: That’s right. That’s right.

(26:25) Khasanti: Yeah. So I do want to talk a little bit about the symbolism of the sun and how, you know, we’ve kind of, we’ve kind of approached this from a place of like, the sun is about this individual hero’s journey. It’s about the, the need for meaning, all of that stuff. But I want to kind of come back to the the reason why the sun is a symbol for that. And it’s pretty straightforward to, I feel like, to kind of figure that out. Because you’ve got, at least from our perspective on the earth, in this solar system where the sun is our literal life giver. The sun has this very central position and we and all of the other planets orbit around the sun. And so that’s one of the reasons why the sun stands for things that are at the center of things – things that are a kind of discrete entity in and of themselves. Whereas the moon is a little bit more, has more of that kind of collectiveness. The Sun is kind of very much about the individual and it can also be about things like leadership, authority, kingship, or kind of monarchy, which, you know, are not necessarily things that have always been very positive in humanity. Um, you know, we could have whole conversations about hierarchies and whether it’s better to organize your society in that kind of top-down way or whether there are benefits to doing things in a more lunar way. Regardless, I think that there is a way in which we need the sun as much as we need the moon, and we need the moon as much as we need the sun. iAnd, um, it’s a mistake to kind of look at the symbolism of the sun and say, that’s all individualism, it’s all hierarchy, it’s all kind of authoritarianism, and we need to just do away with all of it and just become moon people where everything’s communal, everything’s decided by consensus, all of that kind of thing, which I’m not at all saying is a bad thing, but I’m interested in just kind of exploring that, the duality between those two ways of doing things. Cause I just kind of, I just have this feeling that there’s, there is a need for, for sort of healthy solar-ness in the same way that there’s a need for healthy lunar-ness and that both of those principles can be for good or for ill depending on whether they’re in balance or out of balance. So, yeah, any thoughts about any of that?

(29:54) Randee: Yeah, I love that. I think that they truly do need one another to exist. You know, when we go back to the symbolism of the hero’s journey, the hero needs the circumstances and the circumstances need the hero. So…and I like sort of thinking about, you know, the distinction you made between the sort of yin energy of the moon – this sort of more receptive, more collective, more “maternal” – in contrast to the yang energy of the sun, which can often sort of embody the sense of aliveness, forward momentum. You know, the sun is exalted in the sign of Aries, right? So we have a very kind of energizing principle behind the sun. There is a forward momentum, I feel, when we think about the sun. The journey goes forward. Where the lunar qualities draw us down, downward, and maybe to a point of stillness. But I agree with you. We do need both. You know, we embody both. We embody all of these, all of these symbols live within us. And I think coming into touch personally, with both our lunar and our solar aspects, is so healthy. To befriend those different parts of us is so healthy and easier for some of us than others because of the particular placements where our suns and our moons may be. So it’s all, you know, perhaps a grand cosmic balance. Perhaps it’s all balanced out in a grand, infinite, existential way.

(32:21) Khasanti: Yeah, that’s spoken truly like someone who has their sun and moon opposite one another in their chart.

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(32:30) Randee: Oh, I walked right into that.

(32:32) Khasanti: You totally did. You totally did. So can I, um, can I ask you a little bit about that? Um, I think we touched on this a little bit last week. Um, but you are someone who, well, both of us actually are people who have our sun in a place in the chart that isn’t the most happy place for the sun to be.

(32:58) Randee: Yeah.

(33:00) Khasanti: And we’ll probably, I’ll say a little bit about mine in a minute, but you have your sun in Aquarius, which is the sign of the sun’s exile, right?

(33:13) Randee: Mmm, hmm.

(33:14) Khasanti: Yes. I always get my exiles and my falls mixed up. But, um, so yeah, that is a sun that’s ruled by Saturn, who is opposite the sun in terms of, um, these significations of kind of being visible, being kind of hot and bright and vital. You know, Saturn is on the opposite side of the solar system, the furthest out planet of the visible planets. And so colder, more distant, more kind of like far away from that central organizing principle. So, um, what would you, yeah, just, I guess, tell us about that? What’s it like being an Aquarius sun and how is it to be an individual trying to figure out how to shine your little sunlight in the world when your sun is ruled by Saturn?

(34:21) Randee: Oh, the honest answer is I’m still figuring that out. (laughter) You’d think after all these years of studying astrology and studying other people’s charts and looking at my own and thinking about the placements that I would have it so firmed up in my head, what that all means.

(34:44) Khasanti: I don’t expect that.

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(34:48) Randee: But guess it’s, yeah, it’s definitely a work in progress. I’ll just add to that a little more specificity. My sun is in my fifth house, fifth whole sign house in Aquarius. Som perhaps it has slight ease because I do feel like there is a natural affinity that the sun has with the fifth house. There’s something that goes with that. And it was so funny in preparing for tonight, I was looking through some notes I have in my phone and I came across this note that I thought just says it perfectly. And the label was “the impulse to be myself” – ok, sun in the fifth – “to have a life pursuit that is an outlet for true self-expression. That is what I am always seeking.” So I think there’s a lot there and not to just speak about myself, but like to think about what the sun in exile is all about. There is a seeking quality to it. Perhaps a sun that doesn’t quite, mmm, finds it difficult to fully see itself or finds it challenging to fully express itself. And, you know, depending on where that ruler is positioned. So for anybody with the sun in Capricorn or Aquarius, we’re looking traditionally at that ruler of Saturn. Where’s that ruler positioned can offer us even more insight. And so with my ruler in the 12th, that kind of adds, I think, a little bit to that seeking, that seeking energy, that maybe that subtle sense of I’m not quite finding it. I’m still looking, where? In the dark with my flashlight, a thousand journals later in my life.

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(37:07) Randee: So to answer your question, what’s the Sun and Aquarius like? It’s like a thousand journals. (laughter)

(37:13) Khasanti: I love it. I love it. And I feel like that touches on something that I want to say about this kind of mythic quest is that one might make the mistake of thinking that the point of it is to like get to the end of it and be like, yay, we threw our one ring into Mount Doom or whatever.

(37:37) Randee: Right. (laughter)

(37:38) Khasanti: But you know, not to be like, just a cliche upon a cliche upon a cliche, but like the journey and the exploration I feel is kind of really where the juice is at. And so when I hear you talking about your hundreds upon hundreds of journals, instead of feeling like, oh that sounds frustrating because you don’t, you know, you’re not getting anywhere; to me, it sounds delicious because it’s like just this endless exploration of like: What are we? Why are we here? And what, what does it all mean? And that’s, I don’t know, that’s just very, very tasty to me.

(38:19) Randee: I feel like that is spoken like a true sun in the eighth person. And I’m just going to capitalize on that, that opportunity to divert the spotlight away from me. And I would love to hear more about that experience for you. If you would be so inclined to share.

(38:44) Khasanti: Yeah, of course. So let’s see, the eighth house, for folks who don’t like permanently have an astrological chart living in their head and superimposing it on everything they look at, the eighth house is, if the chart is like a clock, the eighth house is kind of like between the sort of two and three o’clock place. So it’s the house right before the place where the sun dips below the horizon at sunset. So it has significations of death and dying and loss and fear of loss and, you know, just a lot of really cheery topics like that. And it also has significations of the esteem of others – like how valued or not valued are we by the people who are important to us and stuff like that. So just to kind of give a little bit of context. And the eighth house is one of the dark houses because it is in aversion to the first house of self. So it’s kind of, it means that it’s one of the houses that are a little bit more obscure and maybe a little bit more hidden from the self. And so yeah, all that to say, it’s not super easy being a person with a son in the eighth house. You know, I think it has its benefits, but being seen is not one of them, or at least ease of being visible is not one of them. It’s not a comfortable place for me to be in the spotlight at all. And yet I do want to be seen. It’s like I want to be known. I want to be, I want to feel witnessed in life by, by other people. But also it’s, it can be a little bit of a painful place to kind of reveal myself in such a way that I am going to feel satisfied with feeling seen or not. So, it’s a little bit of a Koan in a way. So yeah, what else can I say about that? I guess, yeah, like I, it’s really important for me to like, as I’ve been saying throughout this episode, like this, the concept of having a mythic quest in life that’s really important to me. I’m constantly like trying to figure out what mine is and I think getting a little closer to it and really wanting to feel like I’m, I’m kind of doing the stuff that I was supposed to do and kind of bringing value to the world through doing it. But yeah, it’s a little, a little bit tricky to do that whilst also just feeling kind of icky about just kind of proclaiming one’s presence to the world.

(42:08) Randee: Mmm, hmm. It makes me remember something that I learned in our classes that we took together, which was when a planet is in its exile or its detriment or in just like a difficult house, it does have to, almost forces the planet to find creative ways to…

(42:30) Khasanti: Yes.

(43:31) Randee: …be what it wants to be. And I think that is sort of an unspoken gift of having the sun in a sign like Aquarius, like Capricorn, or a difficult place like the eighth house or the 12th house, that the sun is still going to shine.

(42:52) Khasanti: Yes!

(42:53) Randee: So it’s going to find the pinholes out.

(42:57) Khasanti: Right.

(42:58) Randee: And we can work with that, right? We can be oddly and weirdly creative when it comes to that.

(43:06) Khasanti: Totally. Totally. Yeah. Like you can do something like create a podcast called the Dark Moon Cafe…

(43:16) Randee: (laughter) Right.

(43:17) Khasanti: …and just hang out and talk to your astrology nerd friend under the dark of the moon about things and then like pop that out into the world.

(43:27) Randee: (laughter) Exactly. Exactly.

(43:31) Khasanti: So yeah, I totally agree. And that was actually almost verbatim one of the thoughts I had right before we recorded today, like the sun is still going to be the sun wherever it is. You can’t stop the sun from sunning. You can’t stop any of the planets from doing what they do. You just, sometimes it comes a little easier. Sometimes they have the resources that they need on hand and then it, then they, they do their whatever planet they are, or nurse in maybe more kind of traditional normal looking ways.

(44:12) Randee: Mm hmm. Yeah, absolutely. I love that.

(44:16) Khasanti: So, um, yeah, I’m feeling like we should move towards wrapping up here.

(44:26) Randee: I think the time is right. I feel like we did well by the sun tonight. I think we gave it a good treatment in the many multitudes of ways that one could look at the sun, I think we chose wisely.

(44:48) Khasanti: Yeah, I think so too. I think so too.

(44:51) Randee: Do you have any closing thoughts or, you know, just a burning desire to add one more thing to our treatment of the sun for tonight?

(45:04) Khasanti: Yeah, I guess I just want to kind of come back around to the relationship between the sun and the moon and this idea of the sun as being like the sovereign and just leave this as a kind of open question, I guess, which I’m continually asking myself. And maybe our listeners would find this a fruitful thing to, to kind of explore on their own is: how can we as individuals be more sovereign in our lives, but in a way which helps our community that kind of feeds the collective and doesn’t just feed the individual? Like, in what way is the lunar fed by us leaning into our solar selves in a healthy, productive way.

(46:08) Randee: Mmm, I love that. And I love the word sovereign, you know, claiming or reclaiming sovereignty in a way that nurtures; in a way that brings peace and harmony. That’s beautiful. Yeah, I um, I feel like that’s a perfect place for us to end tonight. And I would love for people to know where to find you, Khasanti, in the atmosphere of the internet. How can people find you to learn more about you, learn more about the readings you offer, book a session with you?

(46:53) Khasanti: Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, you can visit me at my website, which is openskywitch.com. You can book a reading, you can learn more about me. I’ve got a blog up there with some writings up there, and you can find out more about the different consultations that I offer there. So my books are open and I would love to sit down and talk about astrology with you. As I’m sure would Randee. So, Randee, why don’t you share how people can find you?

(47:32) Randee: Yes. So I too have a website. You can find me at randeejoyastrology.com. That’s also my Instagram handle. And we also have an Instagram page for our Dark Moon Cafe podcast. So you can also find us there. But before we say our farewells for tonight, we do want to let you know about next month’s episode. We will not be going through all of the planets, contrary to what one might think. But next month, we are going to take a sidestep into the topic of self-understanding through astrology. So we’re going to get a little psychological on everybody. But, for tonight, that’s all we have for you all. We loved hanging out with you at the Dark Moon Cafe, and we sincerely hope you enjoyed your time with us as well. It would mean so much to us if you would subscribe to the pod in your pod-catcher of choice and leave us a stellar review. We’re wishing you the very best for the coming month and look forward to seeing you again next dark moon.