(00:00-00:24) Khasanti: Hey dear listeners, Khasanti here. Just a heads up that I had some mic issues during this episode so my audio isn’t up to the usual quality that we strive for here at the cafe. Rest assured that we will get this fixed in time for our next recording. Thank you for bearing with us at this difficult time.

(00:50) Khasanti: Hello and welcome to the Dark Moon Cafe. We’re your hosts. My name is Khasanti.

(00:56) Randee: And I’m Randee.

(00:58) Khasanti: And each balsamic moon we will be inviting you in for a monthly conversation about astrology and other adjacent topics. Each episode we will compare notes on how the monthly transits have been showing up for us, followed by a deeper dive into a specific topic, which for tonight’s episode is the fifth house. You can find transcripts of every episode on our website darkmooncafe.com. And we hope this podcast offers a cozy space to settle in and explore with us how we live our lives through the lens of astrology. So hey, Randee, how are you doing and what are you drinking tonight?

(01:40) Randee: Hey Khasanti, so good to be back in the cafe with you. I am so excited to talk about this topic. And so for tonight, I am drinking a passion fruit spritzer because as the name would imply, we are talking about a house that does involve passion…and also fun. So Passion Fruit Spritzer is on the menu for this evening.

(02:17) Khasanti: That sounds so delicious. I almost want to trade my drink for it, but not quite.

(02:25) Randee: What are you drinking tonight?

(02:29) Khasanti: Well, I, Randee, I am drinking a ginormous pina colada tonight.

(02:36) Randee: Ohh, yes. Let’s get this party started. (Both laughter)

(02:42) Khasanti: It’s probably not a very boozy one, because I’m not very good with the booze. So it probably just has a little trickle of whatever rum or whatever goes in there. It’s mainly just kind of like a delicious pineapple coconut delight. (Randee: Uh, yeah, love it) But the reason I’m drinking that is because we’re talking about the fifth house and my fifth house is Pisces. So I was kind of wanted to go with something that felt like kind of being at the ocean. And we’re kind of getting towards the end of Pisces season by the time this episode airs. The current like total party bus that’s going through Pisces will be (Randee laughter) just just about kind of exiting off the, off the freeway of this very mixed metaphor. So I figured, you know, we’re talking about pleasure. We’re talking about fun. We’re talking about relaxation and why not just have what I consider to be one of the most decadent, delicious beverages that feels like being relaxed by the ocean. So, Cheers!

(04:10) Randee: Cheers. I can’t think of two better drinks to be sharing.

(04:16) Khasanti: Yeah, totally, totally. So yeah, we’ve got some fun stuff on the docket for tonight. I’m not going to do my party trick of going straight into it without doing our preliminary stuff first (Randee laughter), but let’s just tease what’s coming later so that everyone can get suitably excited. (Randee: Ah, yes) So the reason that we chose to do the sixth house, my goodness, I’m kind of, yeah, there’s a lot happening in my sixth house at the moment. The reason we decided to do the fifth house was we realized, we looked back on the last couple of episodes and realized that without really planning to do so, we basically did two episodes in a row about Mars and Saturn, the two most difficult planets. And so we thought, let’s give the people a little relief from talking about malefics. (Randee: Yes, both laughter) Let’s just really dive into some joy, some relaxation, some pleasure, some sex, some children, creativity, art, all of the just yummy things that hang out in the fifth house.

(05:42) Randee: Absolutely. Yes. Although leave it to us to just, without even realizing it, go hard on Saturn. (Khasanti: I know, both laughter) Realize we need to release this pressure valve a little bit. (Khasanti: yeah, yeah, totally) I’m excited to talk about this house and special for tonight, Khasanti and I we’re going to be trading mini readings for each other on the fifth house, which we have prepared in advance. So I’m very excited to offer this to you tonight, Khasanti, as just like a little mini gift.

(06:23) Khasanti: Same, same. I think it’s going to be really fun. And I hope that it’ll give folks who maybe haven’t had an astrology reading just a little bit of a taste. It’s obviously not going to be the same as the full container of an hour long reading with an astrologer. But yeah, we thought it would be fun. It would be fun for us to do it. And it would be fun for you all to listen and kind of see what it looks like. And yeah, also just probably learn some stuff about the fifth house in the process. And I’m certain I’m going to learn some stuff about my fifth house. So yeah, I think it’s going to be a win-win all around. (Randee: Love it) But before we get into that, let’s just do a little quick catch up on how the past month has been and what astrological happenings have been making themselves apparent in your life.

(07:33) Randee: Mmm hmm. I mean, I will just, I’ll have to just mention Saturn really briefly. (Khasanti: Of course). Of course, you know, big, big transit into my seventh house. And I’ve referenced this in other episodes, but putting a little more energy lately into thinking about a private practice, which certainly would include those sort of intimate one-on-one professional relationships, which just kind of sits squarely in that house in many regards. And I think how Saturn is really kind of manifesting there or kind of showing itself there is I’m doing a lot of planning right now for that. So there’s a lot of building of the structure of what that practice will look like and it’s still in the imagination stage. So we’ve still got some Neptunian energies at play, but I’m feeling solid about the process and feeling really confident about it. Yeah, so that’s, that’s sort of what I’m working with with that transit in particular.

(09:02) Khasanti: Oh, that’s so great. How amazing to just be feeling confident about it. (Randee: Yeah) I love to hear that. (Randee: Yeah, yeah) That’s just really nice.

(09:13) Randee: Thank you. I’m trying to kind of own that a little bit more, you know, like really leaning into, I have a lot of experience, I have something to offer. (Khasanti: Yeah) And just kind of owning that a little bit for myself.

(09:30) Khasanti: Love it. (Randee: Yeah) Also sounds very Saturnian in a way. It’s like you’ve, you’ve, you’ve paid your dues. (Randee: Yes, laughter) You’ve ass off over many, many years. And now you get to, you get to feel like, Hey, I’m someone that, that knows a thing or two about this thing that I do. And I have experience and yeah, that’s awesome. Yeah. Very cool. (Randee: Yeah. I’m excited. Thank you)

(10:02) Khasanti: Yeah, so yeah, as we, I believe, talked about last time, I’m also talking about Saturn going into what is my sixth house (Randee laughter). And I don’t know if this is like strictly, well, one thing that actually just occurs to me, which I wasn’t really planning on saying, but I just got recommended a book that’s basically something, I wish I could remember what it’s called, but it’s called something like Starting Again From Your Broken Body. It’s not as like, it sounds terrible, but it’s basically like a kind of, it’s a book by somebody who’s like a kind of fitness-y, trainer-y, orthopedic-y kind of person who’s like, you know, seeing a lot of middle-aged people struggling with their, you know, trying to stay in shape because their joints are just kind of fucked up. And so I… somebody mentioned that. It’s not really my normal kind of… it remains to be seen whether I will find enough interest to actually read it, but it felt very, very Saturn going into my sixth house of like illness, injury, you know, the fact that I’m wanting to, oh I’m also going to be going back into PT for this thing that’s going on with my hip. So that’s, you know, Saturn rules bones and joints…I think it rules joints, I’m pretty sure it rules joints, definitely rules bones. So you know, even the whole concept of a body that starts to kind of work a little bit less smoothly over time is a very Saturnian concept. So, yeah, it’s going to be interesting to get back into PT and maybe hopefully read this book and with a view to like, you know, just spending the next two and a half years or so while Saturn’s going through my sixth house, I feel like I have a choice between, you know, just sit back and let degeneration happen or be a bit more proactive about it and try and do some stuff to keep the old body functional for longer. So yeah. So in fact, think I’ll just, yeah I think I’ll ditch the other thing that I was gonna say and that one just kind of seems like it wanted to pop out in the moment and it feels like it fits so…

(13:00) Randee: It really does. Anytime Saturn’s involved, I think about the passage of time, right? So our bodies are aging. We’re going to have new things that we deal with. And there is a mature responsibility that Saturn can bring to the table. And I think in the sixth house, you have just articulated a beautiful kind of summary of what that transit could look like. You know, a real kind of mature, dedicated, responsible plan of action to take care of your body. That’s, yeah, I think that’s on the menu.

(13:42) Khasanti: Yeah, well check back with me in two and a half years and see whether (both laughter) I was able to keep it up. But you know, the intention is there and that’s the important thing at this point. So, I will just mention, I think it’s kind of hilarious that we’re like, well, we spent two episodes talking a lot about Saturn, (Randee laughter) so we’re going to like cheer it up this time. Anyway, how are you doing? Well, Saturn, Saturn, Saturn and more Saturn.

(14:18) Randee: (laughter) Literally took the words out of my mouth. Yeah. All right. On that note, Saturn, we bid you adieu and we are going to talk tonight about the fifth house. Have you ever seen the show Parks and Rec?

(14:38) Khasanti: I have. Love it.

(14:40) Randee: Okay, when I think of the fifth house, that is what I think of. I think of the house of Parks and Rec. I just think that it does capture something about the house where, you know, we’re talking whole sign houses. So the fifth house, this is the house of pleasure. This is the house of fun, the house of joy, the house of creativity, play, I might have said that twice. There’s just so much goodness in this house. It’s so much fun. And I think when we look at this house, it can tell us a lot about how we experience joy, how we express ourselves and the nature of maybe how we do that. So I just…this house is great.

(15:43) Khasanti: I could not adore that any more. And my brain’s just gone off in like a million directions. I’m like, so, okay, can we now look at the fifth house ruler and have that be Leslie Knope? (Randee laughter) And she, we have to be like, you know, well, Leslie Knope’s kind of hanging out with Mars in the second house. So she’s going to have some issues, but here’s how she’ll either that or like pick a different Parks and Rec character to be like each planet.

(16:18) Randee: Ohh, that’s such a good idea. Yeah.

(16:21) Khasanti: Ron Swanson…Saturn, right? (Randee: Yes (both laughter)) Yeah, we could go on. We won’t bore all of our people who’ve never watched Parks and Rec, but, I, that, that’s just going to take my, my client practice to another level, Randee. So I, I love it so much.

(16:45) Randee: That’s so good. I’m glad that landed.

(16:48) Khasanti: Yeah, that’s wonderful. Yeah, and I’ll just add that in addition to all of those great significations that you mentioned, I’ve just been getting into, I’ve been studying some master classes that our teacher Adam did last year, which I’m not going to try and get into all of the nuts and bolts of that, but one of the things that I’m kind of learning through that is that the fifth house is also to do with the joy that comes from living out one’s Dharma, which is to say the joy that one gets from, you know, like really figuring out who you are, what you’re here for, what your soul is like, like what is your nature and what does it feel like to just, just kind of fully embody that, to just be, to just feel free, like those moments when you’re just, you’re not obsessing about what people think of you or how you’re coming across or whether you’re taking up too much space or any of that kind of thing. You just feel safe, you feel spontaneous, you feel like it’s just a delight to just be you kind of doing your thing in the world with the people that you love and feeling appreciated. I’m just really into that. I think that’s a really nice expansion of some of what we traditionally think of. And this comes from the Indian tradition, by the way. Just to give credit where that is due. Yeah.

(18:48) Randee: That is beautiful.

(18:50) Khasanti: Isn’t that lovely?

(18:51) Randee: I feel like that really anchors us into a much deeper place of this house. You know, this is the house where Venus rejoices. (Khasanti: Yeah) In Vedic astrology, to reference that again, this house is associated with Jupiter. So we have a house here where both benefics are connected to it across a few different disciplines of astrology. And so I think that that sort of doubles down on some of those significations of this house as being potentially positive, potentially joyful, full of meaning. And you know, certainly there’s always the risk for too much of a good thing. (Khasanti: Right) So one of the significations of this house, I try not to ever forget it is indulgence, right? (Khasanti: Yeah) Kind of like over, over enjoying something. And I also, you know, when I think about the fifth house, I always also bear in mind that it is along that 5th-11th axis. So this house does speak to the self perhaps and sort of self-expression, maybe more so than how we are in a group. (Khasanti: Mmm hmm) But I do like the pressure that the 11th house kind of pushes on that fifth house because I think that we can find what’s true for us, what’s authentic for me sometimes against the backdrop of what is authentic for them or what is authentic for us, sometimes we can find what is authentic for me. And so I like this axis in sort of thinking about authenticity and true self-expression.

(21:05) Khasanti: Yeah. Oh that’s fantastic. Yeah, it’s like, it kind of makes me think of, it makes me ask the question of like, what…something about authenticity and self-expression almost kind of needing, not exactly an audience, like, it’s the true test, I guess. Like it’s one thing to be authentic when you’re just kind of on your own in your house, but are you able to be that in community with other people as well? Yeah, that’s awesome. And it’s also kind of making me think of another thing that I learned through this masterclass, which is that not only is it’s a kind of two way street between the fifth house and the first house of self. It’s not only is the fifth house the joy of kind of deeply, truly being yourself, but also it’s the way that creativity, whether that’s like artistic or like being a parent or whatever how that can kind of teach us something about what our what our true nature is – that by by through the act of creation we kind of get to learn something new about who we really are so yeah.

(22:44) Randee: Mmm mmm mmm. Yeah, I love that. That’s very profound. (Khasanti: Yeah, I agree) And let’s not sleep on the trines between one, five, and nine, right? All of these houses of, yeah, yeah. Anyway.

(23:02) Khasanti: Yeah, yeah, there’s so much more we could say about that. (Randee: So much more) The Saturnian grandfather clock of this episode (Randee: ticks away (laughter)) continues to tick. (Both laughter) Should we transition into our little reading space?

(23:23) Randee: Let’s do it.

(23:25) Khasanti: Yeah, all right. So this is going to be, since this is an audio podcast, we obviously can’t like put each other’s charts up on any screen for anyone to see. So we’ll just have to describe what is going on. So I am just going to pull up your chart here, Randee. So your fifth house is, talk about a party bus. (Randee laughter) You’ve got quite a lot of characters hanging out here. So your fifth house is the sign of Aquarius in whole sign houses and you’ve got your Sun, Mercury and Mars here. (Randee: It’s a party) Those are some heavy hitters. That’s almost half of your traditional planets here in the fifth house. If you were my client, my eye would immediately, even if we weren’t, if I didn’t know that we were supposed to be focusing on the fifth house, that’s where my eye would be drawn. Because I’d be like, for this person, fifth house topics must be significant and important. So I mean, I guess I’d love to start by just having you say a little bit about whether that feels true for you, like the topics of pleasure and enjoyment, relaxation, parenthood, creativity, how do they loom fairly large in your life, would you say?

(25:16) Randee: Oh yeah. I mean, when I think back to my younger days in school, you know, what did I do during study halls? I was playing music. What did I do during school breaks? I was playing sports. Music and sports were a huge part of my life. So again, the whole idea of parks and rec, right? I live in the space of parks and rec.

(25:52) Khasanti: Are you actually Leslie Knope? (both laughter)

(25:56) Randee: I might be.

(25:57) Khasanti: I kind of think you might be on a, or at least separated at birth on some level.

(26:03) Randee: Yes, yes. And I think I was texting with you earlier today that sometimes I think of myself as just this big dorky clown and deep down I really resonate with that, like not in a deprecating sort of way at all. Just like I am a dork, I am a clown. I love to have fun. I love art, music, all things recreation. Like, put a game in front of me, I’m happy.

(26:35) Khasanti: That is so lovely. Yeah, I love that. Even though I haven’t been like, you know, we’ve never met each other in the flesh, right? (Randee: I know!) So I’m happy to kind of experience all of these different aspects of what you’re like in your life. But I totally, that totally feels right from what I know of you. And it just, yeah, I bet that’s a really lovely aspect of parenthood for you as well. Just getting a little person to play in that space with. And I bet that’s super lovely for her as well to have a mom that, you know, isn’t just kind of dutifully, you know, getting the crayons out or whatever, but you’re, I imagine you’re like really committing to the bit when you’re, when you’re in that zone.

(27:39) Randee: You are so right about that. If I’m not like lifting her and throwing her up in the air and tickling her and smothering her with physical affection, I’m singing with her or creating with her. Yeah, it’s a good time.

(27:55) Khasanti: Oh, that is so beautiful. I love it. So, yeah, so then that makes me kind of interested in the fact that your fifth house is ruled by Saturn, which is in your twelfth house of Virgo, which kind of that doesn’t immediately yell kind of dorky clown to me so I’m kind of I’m intrigued by by that juxtaposition right and trying to just get your chart back I’m kind of zip-zapping between my notes and your chart so yeah that’s that’s just kind of interesting to me like what does it mean to have this packed fifth house with these kind of pretty energetic planets there you know, in sect Mars in as in with Mars being in the sect not like Mars being a literal insect. Sounds a little a little overwhelming. Yeah, so how how would you say that shows up for you? Like I’m feeling like they’re you know, is there some, because Saturn in the 12th is more like the kind of the contemplative hermit or the kind of Buddhist retreatant or, and I know that, you know, I know you have that Saturnian element to you. So, do you, I’m curious how, know, do you feel like there are any…I mean, this is difficult, right? Because I know that you know all, like if I was talking to an actual client, then I’d be kind of unpacking more. So I’m going to try and kind of do that, even though I know that you know all of this without me. So yeah, we might normally look at a kind of placement like this and be like, oh, fifth house ruled by Saturn in the 12th. This might be somebody who maybe has some trouble kind of letting loose and really relaxing or somebody who enjoys more solitary kinds of play and creativity. Yeah, or somebody who just kind of takes play and creativity very seriously. Like it’s almost like, you know. So I don’t know if I’m not necessarily expecting any of those things to be true, but I’m wondering if there’s anything kind of adjacent to them for you that feels like it fits with that Saturn rulership.

(31:10) Randee: Yeah, I’m like all of the above. (Khasanti: Oh really?!) I mean, for many years, I studied Buddhism, I’ve done several silent, long silent meditation retreats. I’ve studied meditation for a very long time in my life. I love alone time. A lot of my hobbies, so all the stuff aside that we’ve already talked about, I have a million hobbies. And several of them are quite precise in what they are. Like I’m a seamstress. So, a lot of math, a lot of precision, kind of has to be just right or it’s not going to work. I think even when I think about my athletic history, I love games with rules where there is sort of a winner and there’s a loser. (Khasanti laughter) And there’s something to strive towards to get better. But also on the 12th House Ruler, I’ve thought a lot about that. And with my Sun in the fifth, if we think about son as life path, I’ve worked in the field of mental health my whole career. So the 12th house being that house of illness, maybe people on the margins, maybe suffering and struggling. Those are the people and the spaces in which I’ve dedicated a lot of my path to. So, you know, we’re so complex as humans, right? We’re so multi-dimensional.

(32:53) Khasanti: So I’m curious then, do you feel like your work in that field brings any of those fifth house significations in like, do you maybe more often than your average therapist kind of find yourself talking to people about like how to kind of have have more fun and pleasure in their lives or I don’t know trying to think of some other kind of like I feel like having the Sun in the fifth ruling that kind of that area I’m like there’s gotta be some some kind of connection there. Any thoughts on that?

(33:46) Randee: Maybe I’m still kind of unpacking that in my life and maybe that will kind of be an ongoing unfolding of understanding. You know, I primarily at this point work with people towards the end of their life and bringing in elements of spirituality, of meaning making is extremely rewarding to me. (Khasanti: Mmm hmm) And so maybe there is a connection there. I guess it just depends on how we spin the jewel, you know?

(34:25) Khasanti: Yeah. Well, what it’s making me think of is again, what I was talking about before of that connection between the first and the fifth and the ninth houses that, you know, in a way, I imagine I haven’t done a lot of work with people at that stage of life, but I imagine there can be something very healing and important about kind of bringing their whole life into focus and having conversations and reflections about like what was it all about? What was my Dharma? What was my soul actually kind of trying to do in this life?

(35:20) Randee: Mmm hmm, yes. Yes, I think you’re hitting the nail on the head. And even for me personally, I feel like that’s always been a deep question for me. One that I’m not afraid to approach from an air of fun and enjoyment, but a serious question nonetheless.

(35:30) Khasanti: Yeah, yeah. 100%. That’s so interesting.

(35:48) Randee: Thank you for helping me unpack that.

(35:51) Khasanti: Oh yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. Cause I have to imagine that like, you know, end of life, obviously it’s a serious time. It’s a somber time, but I have to imagine that there also is humor and levity and, I don’t know, some, some, in some cases, some amount of lightness or celebration or, you know.

(36:23) Randee: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And a lot of deep wisdom. Yeah, all of the above.

(36:39) Khasanti: Super, super interesting. Yeah. Well, I’m sure that you have been just a lovely beacon of both fifth house joy and celebration of life, as well as the having that kind of Saturnian ability to kind of be serious and hold space for people who are who are kind of at or approaching that profound transition. So, yeah.

(37:17) Randee: Hmm, thank you. I do sometimes even feel that, you know, like I’m bringing some light into potentially like a dark or a difficult situation.

(37:31) Khasanti: Yeah. Yeah, that’s lovely. I mean that that feels very fifth house sun in a twelfth house Saturny kind of space.

(37:46) Randee: Yeah, exactly. Thank you. That was such a gift to process that. That particular rulership placement has always baffled me a little bit. So that was really helpful.

(38:03) Khasanti: Oh good. Thank you. Oh, you’re so welcome. That was really, really fascinating and cool. I loved it.

(38:13) Randee: Do you feel ready for me to dive into the fifth house for you a little bit?

(38:19) Khasanti: I do, I do. Yes, shine some of that sunshine on me. (both laughter)

(38:29) Randee: Well, just to give the listening folks a little bit of a visual chart layout. So Khasanti, you are a Scorpio rising, so your fifth whole sign house occupies the sign of Pisces. And your fifth house, while it does not have any planets in it, it does include your IC and your fifth house ruler, Jupiter, is in your third house of Capricorn. Also, for fun, your Jupiter, which again rules your fifth house, opposes your natal Venus in a tight three degree opposition. So big picture…

(39:22) Khasanti: Why do I feel like I’m kind of on a game show or something. It’s like, feel like you’re going to be like, all right, Khasanti, come on down and let’s see. Let’s see what your fifth house here. It’s a refrigerator. Anyway, sorry. (both lauther)

(39:41) Randee: Yes, yes. Behind door one, we’ve got house number nine. So if I was doing a proper full natal chart reading for you, kind of like when you were reflecting on my chart upon first visual inspection, you went right to the fifth house. If I was doing your chart with any sort of remote curiosity about your fifth house, I couldn’t talk about your fifth house without referencing this through line between houses three, four, and five, and this connection to house number nine. So it’s very simple, very straightforward. (Khasanti laughter) I had this thing I wanted to read from an article that our astrology teacher wrote. I’ll just read like a tiny little bit, because Pisces, we can’t forget Pisces because that is your fifth house. So what is Pisces all about? So Adam writes there, when we think about the image of Pisces: “there are two fish, one swimming upward, one swimming downward. Neither of them can make it to their destination. They’re pulling on each other upward and eastward, the call of the spirit, downward and westward, the descent of spirit into matter. So the sign also gives us a warning about being caught in a cycle, a spin cycle of hope, reaching, yearning, lusting for something that we consider good or beautiful or attractive, but that we will always simultaneously engage in rejecting something, being dissatisfied or discontent. And that in the material world is like a spin cycle.” And he goes on to say, “that’s a very Piscean kind of thing. The sign of Jupiter, the exaltation of Venus, yearning for the light, but potentially getting entangled. And let’s not forget that the cycle of light and dark is an eternal round in this world.” So I share all of that. Thank you, Adam Ellenbas, for your infinite words of wisdom. I share all of that because I think that when I see a fifth house in Pisces, I think about, this is what came to mind for you – The Sage Getting Creative. There is a deep wisdom to Pisces about light and dark, about entanglement with pleasure and restriction. And I think that Pisces embodies something about unity and interconnectedness of things. And so being that your fifth house is ruled by Jupiter, who I often think of as the sage, the question comes to my mind: how does this sage get creative? And I look to where I look to what does Jupiter represent. Jupiter represents faith, belief, wisdom, meaning-seeking, what does this all matter? What is the big picture? And so I imagine someone with a Jupiter-ruled fifth house perhaps seeking pleasure, creativity, self-expression through the modality of Jupiter, through the modality of meaning-making, spirituality, the deeper wisdom of life. And being that for you, Jupiter is in Saturn’s sign of Capricorn, I think about there being some structure to those creative pursuits that as much as you wanna just kind of, you know, blow apart into the ethos of the infinite universe, there is a structure and some limits to maybe some of that creative self-expression. And this may be getting like a tiny bit specific, but I also kind of think about that Jupiter sitting in like a little bit of detriment in Capricorn in the third house in particular, and perhaps a sense of having to forge your own identity around perhaps traditional roots or early life experiences, early family experiences that may have been a bit more traditional. There’s like 10 other ways I could spin this jewel, but those are some of them.

(44:55) Khasanti: Oh my goodness. So, so many good, good things in there. Wow. Where do I even start? I mean, yes, just yes to all of it. But now I’ve forgotten all the stuff that was at the beginning. (Randee: The sage getting creative) That’s right. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So I love the sage archetype for one thing. And yeah, I do relate to, I mean, I definitely relate a lot to what you said about meaning making. Like that is extremely important to me and it’s really hard for me to do anything like that doesn’t feel like it has some meaning to it. So I have a hard time doing like, I don’t really like, I don’t like dumb movies or like stupid books or like…(both laughter)

(46:05) Randee: No, of course not. (both laughter)

(46:10) Khasanti: I do enjoy comedy, it has to be like, I don’t know, to be like a, it has to be good, has to have a certain quality to it, right? And most of the stuff that I do with my, I mean, I think what we do with our spare time is kind of a good way of understanding something about our fifth house, because it’s like, nobody’s paying me to do this. This is, you know Saturday morning, what do I get up and do? Well, lately, astrology classes. You know, a lot of my recreational activities have to do with definitely spiritual matters. (Randee: Right) You know, as you know, I’ve also been a Buddhist practitioner for many decades. so, yeah, I’m usually just like either in a book or in a something online, some kind of online community. There’s always, there’s always gotta be some kind of bigger picture type, like, meaning of life type thing that is behind what I’m doing for fun.

(47:34) Randee: That’s so beautiful. Mmm hmm. And I really can see that in the three-nine axis connection and the direct tie that that has to your fifth house. I mean, you have so many planets connected in three nine and then across three, four, five. Those houses, I think, are all working in synthesis. And how lovely that you know that about yourself, that what lights you up, how you spend your free time, is immersing yourself in spiritual learning. How beautiful.

(48:22) Khasanti: Yeah, I mean, it’s, yeah, it’s just what I, what I love to do, really. And that you mentioned something about structure as well. And yeah, as you might imagine, I, um, you know, I smiled a little bit when you said, you know, you might want to just be kind of like, you know, I can’t remember what word you used, but basically sort of Piscesing out in the, in the…in the vast expanse of space. But actually that’s, you know, that’s a little scary to me. I do like my structure I do like, I do like having a system for, you know, even for any creative stuff that I do. You know, I’m not a very kind of like, all right, let’s whip out all the paints and kind of start spattering things all over the place. It’s kind of, it has to have a container and you know, I have to tidy it all up afterwards. Like I, you know, I’ve been getting into collaging and stuff lately and you know I just do it here on my desk and you know I like make kind of making it a big mess with all my little bits of paper and scissors and whatnot but then you know I couldn’t possibly just leave that, leave that all there like it has the part of the pleasure of it is tidying it all up afterwards and then just kind of being left with thewhatever beautiful little thing that I’ve made.

(50:03) Randee: Yes, I can completely resonate with that. (Khasanti: Yeah) And I know we don’t really have time to go too much further, but maybe offline we can talk more about the IC, right? Because the IC is in your fifth house and there’s a really excellent Astrology Podcast episode with Pallas Augustine who is such an IC guru.

(50:36) Khasanti: Yes, I have their book. I haven’t read it, but I have it.

(50:39) Randee: Okay. Okay. Well, there you go. There you go.

(50:42) Khasanti: I’m on the palace train.

(50:45) Randee: Yes, and they offer a really beautiful summary of the IC and its unique properties when found in the fifth house rather than the fourth house. (Khasanti: Oh interesting) That kind of added to my idea around the through line between houses three, four and five for you. But we didn’t really get too much into family of origin, but I feel like that’s a part of this conversation. So, if we had a full proper reading, we’d probably go there too. Yeah.

(51:17) Khasanti: Yeah. It’s quite the challenge to try and fit something like this into a 15 minute little… (Randee: Yes) But I feel like I got some really good stuff out of that. That was really, really cool. So yeah, we’ll talk more about all of these things. I feel like we should just tell people what the IC is, because people probably don’t know what that is. So the IC is one of the angles in the chart and it’s the…It’s basically the part of your chart that…things that are on the IC are things that… planets, points, whatever, that would have been like right underneath the Earth at the moment that you were born. So it has a lot of stuff to do with kind of the most kind of private, quiet, intimate parts of life and the roots that we come from and that kind of thing. As opposed to the MC which is like at the very top of the chart and has more to do with more public roles and so forth so just don’t want to don’t want to leave people hanging feeling like we’re just kind of jargoning it up and they don’t know what we’re on about so

(52:37) Randee: Yep. Over our pina coladas and passion fruit spritzers. So we’re just having a ball over here. (Khasanti: Yep. Yep.) Well, Khasanti, are there any final parting words before we say farewell to our beloved listeners?

(52:55) Khasanti: I don’t know if I have any tonight, Randee, do you have any?

(53:03) Randee: I guess I would just say don’t forget to enjoy life and to take time to play. Those are my parting words on the fifth house.

(53:12) Khasanti: Yeah, I love it.

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