(00:31) Khasanti: Welcome to the Dark Moon Cafe. We are your hosts. My name is Khasanti. (Randee: And I’m Randee) And each Dark Moon we’ll be inviting you in for a monthly conversation about astrology and other related topics. Each episode we’ll compare notes on how the monthly transits have been showing up for us, followed by a deeper dive into a specific topic, which for tonight’s episode is the natal moon phase. You can find transcripts of each episode on our website, darkmooncafe.com. We hope this podcast offers a cozy space to settle in and explore with us how we live our lives through the lens of astrology. So hey, Randee, how are you and what are you drinking tonight?

(01:20) Randee: Hey Khasanti, so good to be back with you at the cafe. So excited for tonight’s topic. But first things first, tonight in honor of the new moon in Taurus, I am drinking a green juice smoothie. (Khasanti: Wow) I felt like I could take this particular phase in a few different directions, but I really wanted to lean into the earthiness of Taurus. And I just felt like I wanted something with a lot of green, a lot of earth in it. You know, if we could put some dirt in, we’ll put some dirt in too. (Khasanti laughter) But just a rich and creamy green smoothie for tonight.

(02:13) Khasanti: Oh, I love that. What, what, may I ask what specific greens might be in there?

(02:19) Randee: Ooh, yes, definitely some lemongrass. And I’m going to go with some kale.

(02:32) Khasanti: Oh, yeah. That’s full of Chi. Love that. Wow, that sounds amazing.

(02:42) Randee: How about you? What are you sipping on this fine evening?

(02:45) Khasanti: I, well, I just invented a drink to fit the occasion. (Randee: Oh, I’m so excited) So, funnily enough, I was like, I want something that’s like a kind of purple champagne. I’m like, if we can have pink champagne, surely we can have purple champagne. And I Googled it and I guess it’s like a really famous strain of weed. (Both laughter) I’m like, so I’m not actually going to be drinking that, but I sort of concocted a little recipe that is a mixture of blackberry juice, lime juice, simple syrup, and club soda served in a champagne flute. (Randee: Wow!) So it’s purple, but it’s fizzy. Yeah.

(03:41) Randee: Yes. In full Taurian attitude, you are laying on like a chaise lounge drinking this and I am fanning you off right now.

(03:53) Khasanti: Yeah, Yeah, absolutely, and maybe dropping the occasional grape into my mouth. (both laughter)

(03:59) Randee: Exactly, exactly.

(04:03) Khasanti: So you might be wondering why would Khasanti be drinking such a celebratory kind of beverage? I mean, I’m sure it was on your mind.

(04:13) Randee: It was on my mind. Yes, it was. Hmm, do tell!

(04:21) Khasanti: And yeah, I am, may I segue into the astrology of the month? (Randee: You may, you may) I have your blessing. Love it. So yeah, I am, I got some really good news this month, which I’ve been sitting on because it was kind of a thing I wasn’t supposed to talk about for a while, but I now have been given the green light to talk about it. And Randee you don’t have to pretend like you have never heard this before. (Randee: OK, both laughter) But yeah, I am just beyond thrilled and elated and humbled to announce, I sound like I’m accepting an Oscar or something, but this kind of feels like the kind of astrological equivalent of that in a way. Yeah, I’ve been invited to become a tutor slash teaching assistant, for nightlight astrology. (Randee: Eeeee! (snap applause sounds)) Thank you. Thank you.

(05:34) Randee: A big round of snap applause.

(05:36) Khasanti: I love it. Thank you. I am like, I still keep pinching myself. I can’t believe it’s really happening. The really bonkers part of it, I mean, there were a few of them, but one of them was that like, you know, I, I really wanted this to happen and I wasn’t really sure if it was going to, but I thought, you know, there’s a chance that it might happen. Like I’ve been part of the affordable reading clinic for the last, I don’t know, seven or eight months or something. I’m like, when this ends, I really don’t want to just like waft away into the wind. You know, I really would like to kind of continue this relationship with nightlight. And I wondered whether there might be some other opportunity for me. And I kid you not. I decided to do like a big journaling session about this, where I just, I was like, look, let’s just write out everything that we ideally would want it in the sense of like, you know, if you get clear about what you want, then it’s easier to kind of like, you know, make it happen or believe it’s going to happen. And then, you know, magical things happen and blah, blah, blah. So I had this, this kind of intensive journaling session about what this all might look like. And then I got a message about nine o’clock the following morning from Adam saying, do you have time for a chat today? I’m like, so I’m obviously texting with, with Randee and I’m like AHHHHH, I feel, kind of feel like I might’ve manifested something, but also it’s probably just going to be him saying something really nothing-y and then I’m going to be really disappointed, but it wasn’t and I am really pumped.

(07:40) Randee: I am so thrilled for you. This is so exciting. And they’re so lucky to have you, Khasanti, and all of the students. You know, as we took this class together, we took year one together, year two together, and just thinking about what we learned from the tutors. And you are so perfect for this. And the future students of Nightlight Year 2 are so lucky. They don’t even know how lucky they are that you will be there. So, so many congratulations. I am so happy for you.

(08:22) Khasanti: Thank you so much. I am, yeah, it’s very nice. It’s very nice to feel celebrated and like, this is, this is what a good friendship looks like by the way, when something really good and happy happens for you and you just kind of feel the other person is genuinely like lit up about it. And I, yeah, I really appreciate you for that. (Randee: Aww) So.

(08:51) Randee: I am here for you and I am here for this and I’m so excited for you.

(08:58) Khasanti: Thank you. Thank you. (Randee: Yes, yes) So before I forget the like the cool astrological piece of this. Um, so obviously I checked the chart for, um, when I got the, I can’t remember if it was like the initial message or the, the, the actual kind of zoom call or whatever. But, um, so Jupiter, transiting Jupiter was at 16 Cancer on the day. I mean, yeah, I come to think of it, wouldn’t really matter what time of day it was. Jupiter doesn’t move that fast. I’m like, huh, 16 Cancer. I kind of feel like that’s ringing a bell for me. Like, I feel like something else happened when Jupiter was at 16 Cancer recently. By the way, my ascendant ruler Mars is at 13 Cancer. So like, that’s kind of, you know, we’re happily within that three degree range of like, oh, this is, this is benefic, the greater benefic Jupiter bestowing blessings on my, myself, you know, my Dharma, what I’m, you know, what I am here to, here to do and express. So I looked back through the last time that Jupiter was at 16 Cancer, which was not too long ago because it’s it had it has retrograded since then. So it did one pass of 16 Cancer and then another when it was retrograde. And then this last one on its final direct motion pass. And lo and behold, the first time that it went over, which was, I think, back in September 2025, is when I got the invitation to join the the affordable reading clinic at nightlight.

(10:59) Randee: That is incredible. (laughter)

(11:03) Khasanti: I just love it so much. I’m like, wow, this is, this is obviously just kind of an important degree for me for some reason. (Randee: Mmm hmm, mmm hmm, yeah) So then I was like, what the hell? Let’s look and see what happened when it was doing its retrograde pass over that degree. And it was just like the day that I had a really, really great client session. So I’m like, Ok, this is, this is just too cool to be true. And just felt very affirming and like, this isn’t just a kind of random thing that’s happening. It’s like, it’s, it’s kind of fated in some, some shape or form. And that just made me feel really, really kind of warm and fuzzy…(Randee: Amazing) in the heart and soul.

(11:59) Randee: Amazing. You know, Jupiter transits, I tend to think of them as perfect for kind of giving that gentle nudge or a gentle push from behind. Like you can do it. Pushing you forward. So I love it.

(12:19) Khasanti: Yeah totally, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like sort of kicking you out, out of the nest (Randee: yes!) in the sort of kindest way possible.

(12:28) Randee: Exactly. Yes. Yeah. So excited for you. Yeah. Amazing.

(12:31) Khasanti: Thank you. Thank you. So um, yeah, tell me tales from your last few weeks, Randee, what’s been going on for you astrologically, life wise?

(12:48) Randee: Mmm, hmm. Geez, you know, I will kind of keep it brief. A really cool transit that I took note of just as the Sun was trining my natal Saturn in the 12th, of course, my natal Saturn is in the 12th. I happened to be at a meditation center for the entire day getting reacquainted with this practice of Vipasana meditation that I have been a bit distant from recently. And I had this amazing day, this amazing day of reconnection to a spiritual practice that I had practiced for many years. And I came home and I had to consult the chart. And of course it was nearly an exact trine to my natal Saturn. Um, and I have had in the past other transits to that 12th house Saturn that also align with time spent in retreat. So that felt lovely. It just felt so lovely. Yeah. And you know, I’ve had like on a macro level, I’ve had some thoughts about Pluto going retrograde and Aquarius just with all of the sort of political and societal and worldly things occurring right now. And so I just think like on a macro level, that’s also kind of been on my mind just observing that retrograde and yeah. So that’s kind of like where I’ve been lately. Certainly I don’t have anything as super exciting as you do.

(14:44) Khasanti: I mean, I love that you got some Saturn approved Hermit time in the monastery, so to speak. That makes me happy to hear. Did it nourish you on the level you were hoping it would?

(15:06) Randee: It so did and time spent in meditation for me always does. And it’s amazing how easily I forget that. It just, you you close your eyes, you drop in and all of a sudden it’s like, there it is. You just remember this observing state of being. And there’s such a peace in dwelling in that. So yeah, I just really dropped into that and it was beautiful. And so, yeah, what a beautiful manifestation, you know, and alignment with the astrology.

(15:49) Khasanti: That’s awesome. (Randee: yeah) Fantastic. So do we feel like having a little chat about the natal moon phase?

(16:02) Randee: Ah, I can’t wait.

(16:04) Khasanti: I know this is like an extremely favorite topic of yours, Randee. (Randee: It really is (laughter)) I’m excited to finally like have you have the space to just kind of read your ode to the natal moon phase.

(16:23) Randee: Oh, I love that. Yes. I am internally bowing to the moon right now.

(16:30) Khasanti: Yeah, we, know, every, every now and again, we just have to come back and do an episode on the moon. (Randee: We do) It’s kind of like it’s in our contract. (Both laughter) And in a way, this one kind of piggybacks a little bit off the last episode we did about beginnings. Cause we did, we did talk quite a lot about cycles in the process of getting towards talking about beginnings. And of course the moon cycle is one of the most obvious and accessible astronomical cycles that we can connect with as astrologers and people who have an interest in astrology. What we’re talking about tonight is not just the moon’s phases in general, but more specifically, what we can glean from looking at the moon phase in a person’s natal chart. So like, is somebody a full moon baby? Are they a new moon baby? Are they a dark moon baby? Yeah, it’s kind of a really fascinating way of just looking through a sort of slightly different lens at the birth chart. (Randee: Mmm hmm, absolutely) And so that’s, yeah, that’s what we’re going to be talking about tonight.

(18:03) Randee: I love it. (Khasanti: Yeah) And I feel like, you know, this is so obvious, but there’s something deep to me when I think about it. You know, when we are thinking about the moon phases, we are talking about the relationship between the moon and the sun. (Khasanti: Yes) You know, it’s like such an obvious statement, but yet when you really drill down into that, there is something so wonderfully, magically philosophical about that. And I think that’s why I love the moon so much because there’s so many different ways to think about it and to relate to it. And so I guess, you know, where I go first is like any conversation about lunar phases has to start with a real grounding in the sun because we are essentially discussing the sun’s reflection and then the moon’s dissemination of that. (Khasanti: Right1) You know, I always think of the axis of where the moon and the sun rejoice, the three-nine axis. And I often think about how the moon kind of draws down that sort of God energy, that sort of source energy. And so I like to kind of start with this idea of like, we need the moon to access the divine. Hence why we use ritual. Hence why ritual is so connected to lunar things. (Khasanti: Ohh) I just, yeah, that’s like where I start with this conversation tonight.

(19:59) Khasanti: Yeah. Oh that’s wonderful. Yeah. I really like that. Yeah, I want to just like, you know, cause it took me kind of a, an embarrassingly long time maybe to realize that like a full moon happens when the moon and the sun are opposite (Randee: Yes!) and a new moon happens when the moon and the sun come together. (Randee: Yes!) It’s possible that there might be some folks in our audience that, you know, just haven’t had the opportunity to kind of put that together yet. And that’s a pretty important part of the symbolism that we’re going to be probably talking about. So yeah you can rely on the fact that if you’re listening to some astrology content or something and it says, there’s going to be a new moon in Taurus, then that means the sun and the moon are both going to come together in Taurus. And if it’s like, there’s going to be a full moon in Sagittarius, then you know that the moon is going to be in Sagittarius and the sun is going to be in the opposite sign of Gemini. And that’s just kind of, kind of a bit of the kind of apparatus that we’re dealing with, just to kind of ground things in that before we just allow the moon to kind of take us back into the mists and mysteries of her nature.

(21:42) Randee: (laughter) Ah, I love that. And yes, that’s such a, and, it is basic, but so essential to like all of what we do in astrology and in a natal reading, especially where we’re looking at the sun, the moon, the rising sign, and we’re sort of anchoring our reading in those three things. (Khasanti: Right) So it’s just, it’s, it’s wonderful. And you know, the natal moon phase in a birth chart, I would say, isn’t something that is sort of universally explicitly, you know, talked about in a natal chart reading necessarily. But it’s always there. You know, we are all born under a certain phase of the moon. And if we choose to look at that an delve into that, we can learn something about ourselves.

(22:46) Khasanti: Yeah. Absolutely. And one of the ways that, the, I, well, I mean, what do I, what do I want to say? I kind of feel like I, I’ll be honest that I haven’t like fully kind of internalized like, and I don’t even know whether this is like a thing that I should be doing, but there is, there is kind of like, you know, there are things that you can read and study that are kind of like a new moon person is going to be like, you know, initiative taking and like a little seed that’s, you know, kind of trying to sprout out of the ground and a full moon person is going to be like this other thing. And I, I think that’s all really interesting. And I feel like there is, you know, there is definitely a kind of poetic way that we can read that. I’m always a little bit kind of iffy about things that are very definitive about like, if you were born under this phase of the moon, then you will have this exact personality or way of approaching the world. But also I think that if we’re able to kind of take it less literally, but use it as a kind of metaphor for some some aspect of like what we’re, what we’re doing in this lifetime, then it can be a really interesting, yeah, just a really interesting thing to look at.

(24:19) Randee: Absolutely. I think, I’m pretty certain it was Steven Forrest that really kind of broke down the natal moon sort of, investigation in a reading into that waxing or waning. I think in an interview I watched with him once, he talked about how he can pick up on a waxing moon person or a waning moon person as soon as he meets them. (Khasanti: Whoah, that is so cool!) I know, I know. And he described it as like waxing moon people have more of an inclination towards like an outward orientation to life, or sort of like a forward orientation to life. And waning moon people have more of a reflective orientation to life. And perhaps more of like an integrative orientation to life. Like those are my words, not necessarily his, but just like you can kind of feel the difference in like energetic tone between the waxing and waning. I love that sort of division in a way.

(25:38) Khasanti: That is awesome. Yeah, I love that too. And yeah, I was just kind of gonna say that I find myself a little more able to wrap my head around just sort of splitting the phase into those two kind of hemispheres of waxing and waning. It’s like my brain can kind of make sense of that. And then we can, you know, if we want to, we can further kind of refine the, you know, like the first quarter moon and the last quarter moon are kind of like the waypoints kind of in between, you know, so what does it look like to be born halfway between the moon kind of being born and sort of coming to her peak at the full moon? And what does it feel like to be halfway back to the next new moon and then in between those four cardinal points, I guess you could call them, then we’ve got the waxing crescent that comes before the first quarter, then we’ve got the waxing gibbous and then we have the full moon and then we have the waning gibbous and then the last quarter, is it called the last quarter or the second quarter?

(26:56) Randee: I always call it last quarter.

(26:58) Khasanti: Yeah, that makes more sense to me. Last quarter moon and then the waning crescent, which is also called the balsamic moon, which we reference a lot in our podcast because of it being called what it’s called. It’s probably beyond the scope of this one episode to kind of like really dive into all the nuances of those phases. But I think it, I think you can get somewhere of the way there by just kind of like figuring out, are you a, a waxing or a waning moon person, or maybe you’re like bang on the full moon or the new moon, which, is, like another, another whole thing to look at. But yeah, I love that Stephen Forrest story and it kind of, when I was like preparing for this episode, I was like kind of drawing diagrams and like really trying to like sort of get my head around it and like come up with something that was actually kind of like my original musings on the matter and not just like regurgitate something that I, you know, pulled out of my year one notes or whatever. (Randee: Yup (laughter)) And the thing that I eventually landed on after quite a lot of kind of stumbling around in the dark, which I actually thought was, was kind of like hilariously on point for like a moon vibe, like the moon card in the tarot is like, specifically kind of means that really it’s like, you know, it’s like wandering around at night, on a night when it’s not a very full moon and you can’t really see what’s happening and you have to like lean more on your instincts and your intuition and kind of your sixth senses and things because the light of the sun is not available to you. But that’s a kind of a little lunar tangent. Then I’m now going to just meet myself back on the original path that I was on a couple of minutes ago. (Randee: OK (laughter) I love your tangents) Thank you. It’s, it’s a good thing cause they’re, they’re not going anywhere. No, no pun intended. (Both laughter) Let’s see if I can even remember where I was going. So the tangent was the thing about, God.

(29:38) Randee: Waxing and waning.

(29:39) Khasanti: Waxing and waning, yes, okay so yeah, the thing that I kind of got to through my sort of diagrams and my late night pondering was that essentially a moon which is on its way towards a full moon is, is a moon that’s kind of more focused on, on the life principle and the light principle. Cause it’s like the, the sun is kind of…wait, I’m now.

(30:09) Randee: The sun is superior. The Sun is superior.

(30:12) Khasanti: I’m totally second guessing myself. I’m like, is that true? Yeah, it’s cause we go…sometimes I have these, these, these astrologer brain farts where I kind of forget which way around the Zodiac things go. But, but yes, I’m going to take your word for it. (Randee: Yes) When we’re going from a new moon, yes, that does make sense. The moon is moving faster away from the sun clockwise around the chart, which means that the sun is in the superior position, which means that the sun is basically kind of in a way, the stronger of the two you could say it’s like exerting its influence on the moon. (Randee: Yes) And so that feels to me like it really fits with the waxing moon phase. It’s like the moon is, is the, the sun is impressing it’s kind of diurnal life giving light on the moon. And so therefore, a person born under that phase is inevitably on some level, obviously caveat, caveat, the rest of the chart is all important, but there’s going to be more of a focus on that, that kind of moving towards the light, kind of growing towards a peak, that kind of thing. Whereas if you are born during the waning half of the moon cycle, then the moon is in a superior position. So the moon is acting upon the sun. And it’s like the night, in a sense, is exerting its power over the day. So it’s sort of like, you know, in a poetic way, you’re kind of move moving towards dissolution, darkness, death, the night, the unseen. And there’s just, I don’t know, there’s just something very beautiful to me about just contemplating that, that eternal circling through that cycle. Like the moon is always somewhere on that cycle, always moving towards the full moon and then moving back down towards the new moon and like. You know, the ancient astrologers whose books we study would look up at the moon and see that exact cycle and have their own philosophical, spiritual experience of how that speaks to them. I just love that so much.

(33:10) Randee: Beautiful, beautiful. It, it really kind of speaks to, you know, the conjunction of the moon and the sun at the new moon. The moon gets sort of infused with this sort of solar principle of the eternal, the unchanging, the divine spirit soul. It gets infused with that. And like something I think about is like, then the moon goes out on its journey and it imparts that, it imparts pieces of the divine through its phases into the world. So like our teacher Adam often talks about, you know, the sun as spirit, the moon as matter and so this sort of matter and spirit principle merge and then matter goes out on a month-long journey and it imparts pieces of the divine in the way that it does reflected through the phases. And you know, like I could go on like more of a philosophical tangent about that because the sun is something that we can’t look at. So we might, we might kind of extrapolate from that the divine is something that’s difficult to have a direct relationship with. So we need the moon’s phases to even look at the divine. And so that full moon phase does represent something about a full manifestation of something, but also a tension between matter and spirit and, and, you know, maybe a, an oscillation between those two. I think people born under a full moon might really kind of resonate with that tension, that sort of internal tension. And of course, Dane Rudyhar, who writes amazing stuff about the lunation cycle. I’ll just read a little quote on this topic. So he writes, “she makes” (meaning the moon) “she makes solar activity objective, clearly perceptible. She transforms it into a thing to be analyzed. Thus the moon is also a symbol of the human intellect, for it is the intellect’s function to objectivize and analyze the effulgent outpourings of the spirit in man. Moreover, in order to analyze that which in itself cannot be met face to face, lest the contemplation blinds” (i.e. looking directly at the sun or the divine) “it is necessary to approach the spirit radiant reality as it were sideways. That is from many angles, each of which reveals only a small aspect of the total activity of the spirit.” So that’s amazing. (laughter)

(36:48) Khasanti: Agreed. (both laughter) Wow.

(36:54) Randee: I know, I know. And we could honestly just have a whole episode on, I think, thinking about that, but to kind of like anchor it back to the moon phase in a natal chart, what are we actually talking about? What are we looking at? I think that when we think about that sort of framework, that philosophical framework, and we think about the moon as material, as something that can shed light on the divine, on the source. We could look at the natal moon phase as sort of an imprint, some sort of a natal imprint about the aspects of self that are changeable. And so I think when I look at a natal moon phase in a birth chart reading, I think about things like personality. I think about things like emotion. I think about things like instinct, like situational disposition, sort of our general worldview, our general kind of outlook. And, you know, I offer that sort of philosophical framing just to kind of underpin where, where I get some of those meanings from, like how I derive that interpretation a little bit. But yeah, you know, Demetra George talks about natal moon phase as the energy of our awareness. So there is something about the natal moon phase that speaks to something in us about our disposition, about our general outlook, about our sort of instinctual emotional space. I think that we can learn something really profound about ourselves through.

(39:05) Khasanti: Yeah, yeah, I I love that. That, that just feels, feels kind of instinctively correct to me when you say it, and also just to go back to the, the thing about how we can’t look directly at the sun and the moon is, I mean, I’m just kind of like, it’s just giving me all kinds of thoughts and feelings about like what is actually happening when we’re looking up at the moon and being like, Oh my God, look at the moon. She’s so beautiful. And like how much of that is that kind of reflected light and like how much of the wonder of looking at the moon is kind of like a little slice of the wonder of looking at the divine.

(40:09) Randee: Absolutely.

(40:12) Khasanti: And then how much of how, what, you know, what can the natal moon phase tell us about the ways that the divine kind of shows itself to us through, through the life? (Randee: Yes, Oh love that) You’re really selling me on natal moon phase, Randee. (both laughter)

(40:34) Randee: No, I love that so much. I love sort of where your mind went there. Yes, it’s both of the material world and of the divine together.

(40:50) Khasanti: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause without the sun’s light, I mean, no offense. I feel almost like I shouldn’t say this, but like the moon is just kind of like a rock in space. (Randee: Yup, yup) Like, and yet she’s not cause she’s just this, you know, absolutely beautiful, magical goddess creature. But, you know, yeah, the sun is like a big part of the of the magic of it all. And also she’s magical kind of in her dark phase when we can’t see her.

(41:29) Randee: Absolutely. It’s so, it’s so beautiful. Yeah, I would, I would love to ask you about the moon phase that you were born under, if you’d like to share it all about that.

(41:49) Khasanti: Yeah. so I was born under a waning gibbous moon, which is also known as the, as a disseminating moon. And yeah, it’s interesting. It’s like I, when I first kind of looked that up and then kind of looked at some of the like, what might this mean about you kind of stuff. I was like, yeah, I can kind of see that, I guess. Like I definitely, I definitely feel like I relate to the waning part of the cycle. I definitely feel very, I mean, there’s other parts of my chart that speak to this as well, but like I’m very, very kind of turning inward kind of person and very like I’m, I’m interested in death and darkness and I love the night time and I’m, you know, generally just a bit more interested in, in things that, that are more kind of going in that direction, as opposed to like sort of building, you know, I’m don’t see myself as a very ambitious person. I’m not like super focused on like what I can build in my life or create or move towards, I guess it’s like, I’m just, yeah, I’m much more interested in reflecting on the whole process and what it’s about. So I don’t know that, that I think you could kind of interpret that in a little bit of a waning moon phase type way.

(43:41) Randee: Absolutely.

(43:43) Khasanti: And as for the like, waning gibbous part, the disseminating moon person is allegedly supposed to be somebody who enjoys to teach and to kind of like, they kind of take the, the bounty of what they discovered or what was, what was kind of what flowered and fruited in the full moon phase and then kind of like offer that to the world in some kind of way. And that’s been a little bit more tricky for me to like really identify with, although I do find it kind of hilarious that we’re having this conversation like right as I’m accepting a role as a kind of teaching assistant. (both laughter)

(44:34) Randee: It is not lost on me. (laughter)

(44:37) Khasanti: Yeah, yeah, yeah. like, I don’t really see my like, the teacher archetype is not one that like has ever really grabbed me particularly. But I do think that there is, you know, maybe I’m being again, too literal about what a teacher looks like. Like I do, I do enjoy being in the role of kind of wise guide, I guess, not to be too kind of highfalutin about it. But you know, I just like, I like to be kind of like someone who’s lived some life and has some wisdom to share. And I suppose that’s not a million miles away from a disseminating moon.

(45:24) Randee: No, not at all. In fact, the disseminating moon phase, the, and I honestly don’t know if this is an original thought or not. I’ve, you know, I’ve listened to so many people and teachers and read so much about lunation phases, but I love the, um, example or the, the, the symbolism of, uh, you’re on a hike. And you know, it’s a big hike. You hike all the way to the top of a mountain. It’s a huge accomplishment. And on your way back down, which we can look at as like through the waning moon lens, especially on the initial descent, we’re in this disseminating moon phase. And on the way down from a big hike, you inevitably pass hikers that are going up. (Khasanti: You do) And what do you, what always happens in those exchanges? Oh, how far to the top is it? Um, you know, tell me more about what to expect up ahead. (Khasanti: Is it worth it?) Is it worth it? Should I keep going? Do I have time? (Khasanti: Yeah) And I tend to think of the disseminating moon phase as highly dynamic because there is a dynamism about sharing what you’ve just experienced. (Khasanti: Ohhh) And okay, okay, so we’re hitting something here for you. (Khasanti: Yeah) So I think that embodied in that is a little bit of the teacher archetype. It’s a little bit of the sage archetype. It’s a little bit of the wise person who has walked in those footsteps before and has something of value to share. And I think that with the disseminating moon phase, it really grounds in this sense of purpose being fulfilled. I have fulfilled a purpose and I want to share that. And I see that generosity in you all the time, this real heartfelt desire to share what you’ve learned and to help someone else learn on their own path. I think that’s the gift of the disseminating moon phase baby.

(47:52) Khasanti: That’s so, I love that. That’s awesome. While you were talking, what it made me think of was that whole thing of how you, I can’t remember what word you used, but like sort of the, the, the, it made me think of how the process of like sharing and teaching helps you to like understand what you’re sharing and teaching about on a deeper level. You know, you’re not just kind of like regurgitating. Oh, it’s the second time I’ve used the word regurgitating this episode. (Randee laughter) I do apologize.

(48:33) Randee: Maybe that’s the title.

(48:35) Khasanti: Dynamic! I think that was that was the word that you used that got it sort of like there’s something there’s something alchemical that kind of happens in the process of sharing that is greater than just a kind of like static re-stating of like when you come down the mountain you have the conversation with the people that are going up the mountain and something about your experience of the top of the mountain changes through the alchemy of like getting to describe it to someone who hasn’t been up there yet. Does that make sense?

(49:15) Randee: Beautiful. Makes so much sense. Yes. It’s all part of that exchange. Yeah. Mm hmm, mm hmm.

(49:23) Khasanti: Yeah, yeah.

(49:26) Randee: And, you know, thinking about and reflecting on like how I use the moon phase in a birth chart reading, sometimes I will just simply take note of it mentally. And I will just kind of orient the reading from the foundation of, this person is a disseminating moon person. Okay. Let’s see if there’s any other kind of proof in the pudding in their birth chart that kind of illustrates that more. And so sometimes it’s not even like an explicit thing that we talk about (Khasanti: Right, right) but more just like, okay, that’s the type of person’s outlook that we’re kind of working within.

(50:16) Khasanti: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You’re absolutely right that not everything that you see has to be spoken about, but it’s all kind of like feeding into that sort of divinatory space within one’s being. (Randee: Yes) And, um, yeah. And it reminds me of, and I do want to get onto your natal moon phase, but like it was one of the things that was sort of coming up for me while I was thinking about this topic was like how before I started studying astrology, like one of the things that used to really confuse me about it was how contradictory it seemed. Like you’d read, you know, read like a cookbook astrology book and you’d be like, well, wait, I’m a, I’m a disseminating moon, but like I was, I was born at dawn. So like that, that has like a, an imprint of like a more kind of new moon phase type energy. And like, I’m a, I’m also a kind of, you know, Capricorn. So like that feels more kind of new, new moon, dark moony kind of, so like, how do you, know, and I think that…It’s an interesting question and I’m sure it’s not one that has a logical answer, but it’s like, you I think you, what you can sometimes find is like in somebody’s chart, you’re like, everything is pointing to like, all of those things are kind of coinciding with a certain kind of phasal dynamic. Therefore that’s probably very loud in that person. (Randee: Yes, absolutely) And if it’s more kind of spread out, then it becomes a sort of interesting puzzle to untangle, you know, what part of this person is more inceptional and what part of them is more kind of aligned with dissolving and like, how do those two things play with each other and do they show up in kind of wow…me gesticulating and whacking my elbow on my desk. (both laughter) So yeah, that’s one of the benefits I think of learning astrology more deeply and getting readings with a professional astrologer is that they can kind of help you unpack some of those seeming contradictions within a chart.

(52:56) Randee: Absolutely. Absolutely. And sometimes like taking note of the natal moon phase and then looking at the progressed moon phase, which is more illustrative of like maybe where that person is in their life currently, that can be an interesting contrast and compare exercise.

(53:19) Khasanti: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(53:21) Randee: Also even could just remain in the background of a reading, but just kind of recognizing, this person is natally a disseminating moon baby, but currently they’re in a full moon phase. So, you know, that might say something about how they’re accessing source, how they’re being out in the world, you know, what’s happening.

(53:46) Khasanti: That’s so cool. Yeah. I really want to play with that more. Yeah. And we’ll definitely have to do an episode on progressed lunation cycle. (Randee: Sounds great) Yeah. But I want before we get too far down any other roads, looking at the time and really wanting to make sure that we have time to hear about your natal moon phase, Randee.

(54:12) Randee: So I was born under a waxing gibbous. So the phase of the moon just prior to a full moon. And so in a lot of the things I’ve read about and learned about and reflected on, this is a very kind of excitable phase. This is a phase that you can think about it as the phase just before we step out onto the stage. It’s, it’s the final preparation, the final analyzing, the final perfecting, the last critical details. That’s, that’s the waxing gibbous. And I so relate to that. I have so often in my life found myself in the sort of wingman role for people, like whether it’s a friend or more aptly like a boss or a superior. I enjoy the role of helping to get something ready for a reveal. And I don’t really like to be the one in the spotlight per se. I don’t mind it, it doesn’t make me anxious, but I really like to help, to help get the thing ready for the spotlight. So anyway, those are my thoughts and musings on waxing gibbous.

(55:54) Khasanti: That’s really cool. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. I feel like if I were Stephen Forrest and I met you, I think I’d probably, I’d probably be like, yeah, that’s a waxing moon person. (Randee laughter) And I can’t even really explain why, but there’s just a kind of, a sort of forward motion about you. There’s a sort of like excitable, like what’s, what’s around the next corner? What fun are we going to have today? Kind of vibe, which I just love.

(56:30) Randee: Ah, thank you. Yeah, I very much resonate with that personality-wise. Yeah, very easily excitable for the next adventure.

(56:43) Khasanti: Yeah, I love that. I love, haven’t really like looked at the kind of degrees of this, but like, I just like the symbolism of the fact that you and I are both gibbous moons, but we’re just like either side of the full moon. I’m kind of imagining us like sort of holding hands over a full moon.

(57:04) Randee: Ohh, that’s so beautiful. I love that.

(57:08) Khasanti: Yeah, have to have somebody who can draw, make that into a reality. What else? We, God, the time just goes so fast.

(57:20) Randee: It goes so fast. I know. I hope that we’ve offered our listeners an intriguing glimpse into natal moon phase. Are there any last words that you would like to say before we put a wrap on it?

(57:43) Khasanti: I mean I guess I would love to invite our listeners to check out what their natal moon phase is. Maybe you know how to do this. If you don’t, you’re welcome to drop us an email and, you know, send us your chart details and we’ll tell you what natal moon phase you are. But yeah, and just kind of like meditate on the symbolism of that. Like, you know, maybe start with just figuring out whether you’re a waxing or a waning moon baby and just kind of, you know, journal about it, think about it, meditate on it, ask for dreams about it, divination on it, and just kind of see what, what comes out of that. But try, I would say don’t try and like figure it all out with your, with your brain side of your brain. Just kind of you know, be more lunar about it. Let the moon whisper to you about what her natal phase in your chart has to tell you about yourself and your life.

(58:57) Randee: Mmm, love that. Yes. Great invitation. Well, on that note, we just want to say we have loved hanging out with you at the Dark Moon Cafe tonight, and we hope that you enjoyed your time with us. It would mean so much to us if you would subscribe to the pod in your podcatcher of choice and leave us a stellar review. You can book a session with one of us if you’d like to talk more about your own natal moon phase. And we also adore getting your thoughts and hearing from you. You can now write to us directly at [email protected]. Let us know what you like, what you would like more of, any questions you have or topics you would like for us to cover. We are wishing you the very best for the coming month and we look forward to seeing you again next dark moon.